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p.1 #1 · p.1 #1 · Nikon Auto AF fine tune does not work, here is why (D500, possibly D5)

Update: Per my post further below, Nikon auto AF fine tune is missing the last two steps in the process it attempts to use.
5/3: So I had a revelation today after shooting 2k photos of eagles and ospreys with varying results. Apparently the auto AF fine tune feature uses the first number it matches with the focus attained via Live View AF. That's it, no further calibration takes place in the camera. This would explain the extremely mixed results people are seeing with this feature.
Those of you familiar with the dot tune method of AF calibration will agree that using a number at either extreme of the confirmed focus range will not be adequate and best results are found when adjusting AF fine tune to a number in the middle. Sure enough, my testing tonight after using dot tune is yielding far better results.
Hopefully Nikon plans to fix this feature in a future firmware update. Until then, keep using dot tune.
5/1: After laboring over auto AF fine tune on my new D500 last week across my 3 super-teles and various TC combos, I was ready to chuck it all off a cliff. Then after reading various users' feedback, I decided to print a Siemens Star for my target subject:
Siemens Star
So far the results have been extremely close, +/- 2 at the most with not a single random outlier. I would imagine this also works well for the D5. Hope this helps!
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Another possibly better target option is this cross-hatch chart created by snapsy (also posted below). Thanks snapsy!
DotTune variable-width cross-hatch chart (PNG)
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May 02, 2016 at 12:35 AM

Fine-tune focus for up to 20 lens types. Use only as required; AF tuning is not recommended in most situations and may interfere with normal focus. Auto fine-tuning is available in live view (0 Auto AF Fine-Tuning). We recommend that you perform fine-tuning at a focus distance you use frequently; if you perform focus-tuning at a short focus distance, for example, you may find it less effective at longer. Aug 08, 2017 Do you have a Nikon camera that features Auto AF Fine Tune? If so, then this video is just what you need to get the most from it! The thing is, the way most people use Auto AF Fine Tune is.

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p.1 #2 · p.1 #2 · Nikon Auto AF fine tune does not work, here is why (D500, possibly D5)

Thanks for posting this.
May 02, 2016 at 02:27 AM

Aug 08, 2019 The Nikon D500 is an advanced camera designed for action photography. It has a number of buttons and numerous menu options that can be confusing for those who are not familiar with them. In this article, we go over all the controls of the camera and walk through pretty much every menu setting, with our recommendations. Apr 28, 2016  Still waiting for an update for use with D500. The auto AF fine tune on the D500 is terrible with results varying a lot each time the tuning is done. Holding off use of the D500 as my D810 performs way much better. Pls release an update quickly as I have been waiting since May. Automatic AF Fine-Tune. Automatic AF fine-tuning is an eagerly anticipated feature made available for the first time on the D500 and D5. It promises to take a tedious and error-prone process and make it quick and easy. Manual AF fine-tuning has been available on many DSLRs for years (see Nasim’s detailed article on how to calibrate lenses with AF Fine-Tune). It allows for manual calibration of the auto-focus.

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p.1 #3 · p.1 #3 · Nikon Auto AF fine tune does not work, here is why (D500, possibly D5)

Based on my DotTune testing (which Nikon's automated method in the D5/D500 likely uses), the best AF target is a variable-width cross-hatch pattern. I started with a Siemens Star but found the lack of explicit horizontal+vertical detail would lead to inconsistent results. Here is the cross-hatch chart I created:
DotTune variable-width cross-hatch chart (PNG)

May 02, 2016 at 02:40 AM

May 16, 2016  To use the D500’s automatic AF Fine Tune feature, you need to have the camera on a solid tripod and aimed at a target suitable for calibration. Many of these settings are locked-out when the D5000 is in the green AUTO mode, set on the big top dial. I shoot in the P mode, which allows all these settings. For this page, use the P, S, A or M modes and you'll have access to all these settings. If you're trying to do something below and it won't work, it's because you have the top dial set.

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p.1 #4 · p.1 #4 · Nikon Auto AF fine tune does not work, here is why (D500, possibly D5)

snapsy wrote:
Based on my DotTune testing (which Nikon's automated method in the D5/D500 likely uses), the best AF target is a variable-width cross-hatch pattern. I started with a Siemens Star but found the lack of explicit horizontal+vertical detail would lead to inconsistent results. Here is the cross-hatch chart I created:
DotTune variable-width cross-hatch chart (PNG)

Cool, thank you! I will try this tomorrow.

May 02, 2016 at 05:04 AM
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p.1 #5 · p.1 #5 · Nikon Auto AF fine tune does not work, here is why (D500, possibly D5)

architect7 wrote:
After laboring over auto AF fine tune on my new D500 last week across my 3 super-teles and various TC combos, I was ready to chuck it all off a cliff. Then after reading various users' feedback, I decided to print a Siemens Star for my target subject:
Siemens Star
So far the results have been extremely close, +/- 2 at the most with not a single random outlier. I would imagine this also works well for the D5. Hope this helps!

It shows just how poor af systems still are in the real world. It is very easy to get into a situation where the errors in the af system each time are greater than any tolerancing issue.
Worth also noting amount of light affects things. Less than 9EV (which is quite bright) and things get worse quickly.

May 02, 2016 at 11:25 AM
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p.1 #6 · p.1 #6 · Nikon Auto AF fine tune does not work, here is why (D500, possibly D5)

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Not kidding, gives more more consistent results than the actual target for fine tuning that I have, and the result is the camera being quite accurate with all of my lenses. Except the 14-24 because the value needed for about 14-17 is very different than for 18-24. Good times.

May 02, 2016 at 11:40 AM
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p.1 #7 · p.1 #7 · Nikon Auto AF fine tune does not work, here is why (D500, possibly D5)

So I had a revelation today after shooting 2k photos of eagles and ospreys with varying results. Apparently the auto AF fine tune feature uses the first number it matches with the focus attained via Live View AF. That's it, no further calibration takes place in the camera. This would explain the extremely mixed results people are seeing with this feature.
Those of you familiar with the dot tune method of AF calibration will agree that using a number at either extreme of the confirmed focus range will not be adequate and best results are found when adjusting AF fine tune to a number in the middle. Sure enough, my testing tonight after using dot tune is yielding far better results.
Hopefully Nikon plans to fix this feature in a future firmware update. Until then, keep using dot tune.

May 04, 2016 at 06:22 AM
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architect7 wrote:
So I had a revelation today after shooting 2k photos of eagles and ospreys with varying results. Apparently the auto AF fine tune feature uses the first number it matches with the focus attained via Live View AF. That's it, no further calibration takes place in the camera. This would explain the extremely mixed results people are seeing with this feature.
Those of you familiar with the dot tune method of AF calibration will agree that using a number at either extreme of the confirmed focus range will not be adequate and best results are found when adjusting AF fine tune
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Thanks for this. Did you reach this conclusion by performing both a DotTune and Auto AF-Tune using the same established focus in LV (ie, on a tripod, the same target and focus, doing a DotTune and Auto AF-Tune right after each other)?

May 04, 2016 at 01:31 PM
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p.1 #9 · p.1 #9 · Nikon Auto AF fine tune does not work, here is why (D500, possibly D5)

snapsy wrote:
Thanks for this. Did you reach this conclusion by performing both a DotTune and Auto AF-Tune using the same established focus in LV (ie, on a tripod, the same target and focus, doing a DotTune and Auto AF-Tune right after each other)?

Yes, all while using the cross hatch image you shared above. Same distance, focal length, etc. Same conclusion with 5 different attempts at 500mm on my 200-500mm f5.6E, w/ and w/o TC-14E III (5 separate attempts with the TC as well). This was actually the exact same behavior I observed with my 500mm f4D AF-S II w/ and w/o TC-14E II but I did not realize what was happening that day until my testing with the 200-500 last night.

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p.1 #10 · p.1 #10 · Nikon Auto AF fine tune does not work, here is why (D500, possibly D5)

On this Thom Hogan page see the fourth paragraph: 'Does Autofocus Fine Tune actually work?'
http://www.dslrbodies.com/newsviews/so-many-unanswered-question.html

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p.1 #11 · p.1 #11 · Nikon Auto AF fine tune does not work, here is why (D500, possibly D5)

Oh dear, if true it looks like Nikon have half arsed it again. It makes me wonder if anyone at Nikon actually uses the gear they sell.
May 04, 2016 at 08:36 PM
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Steen DK wrote:
On this Thom Hogan page see the fourth paragraph: 'Does Autofocus Fine Tune actually work?'
http://www.dslrbodies.com/newsviews/so-many-unanswered-question.html

Looks like an unrelated lens issue but it is worth mentioning that my 200-500mm barely focuses in Live View using the cross hatch image as a target. Live View AF functions perfectly with normal subjects so probably a different issue than what affects the 80-400..just more weirdness to stoke the fire.

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Nikon Auto AF fine tune does not work
Moot point for moi. Of my 11 AF lenses only 3 needed any 'tune' on the D500.
One at +2 and the other two at +1. AFAIC, Nikon nailed this body..bigtime!
(everything I shoot moves, so homie don't 'live view' YMMV)

May 09, 2016 at 01:55 PM
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p.1 #14 · p.1 #14 · Nikon Auto AF fine tune does not work, here is why (D500, possibly D5)

architect7 wrote:
5/3: So I had a revelation today after shooting 2k photos of eagles and ospreys with varying results. Apparently the auto AF fine tune feature uses the first number it matches with the focus attained via Live View AF. That's it, no further calibration takes place in the camera. This would explain the extremely mixed results people are seeing with this feature.

FYI, I asked Marianne Oelund (very knowledgeable engineer who posts on dpreview) to try this experiment on her D5 and she was unable to reproduce the results. In her testing the auto-AF tune produced the same tune value as DotTune's midpoint.

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snapsy wrote:
FYI, I asked Marianne Oelund (very knowledgeable engineer who posts on dpreview) to try this experiment on her D5 and she was unable to reproduce the results. In her testing the auto-AF tune produced the same tune value as DotTune's midpoint.

I know the answer should be no, but given the two reports (yes small sample) we have in this thread, is there any chance Nikon implemented auto-fine-tune differently in the two bodies - D5 and D500?

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snapsy wrote:
FYI, I asked Marianne Oelund (very knowledgeable engineer who posts on dpreview) to try this experiment on her D5 and she was unable to reproduce the results. In her testing the auto-AF tune produced the same tune value as DotTune's midpoint.

Interesting, the D5 owners I have spoken with did not get similar results between auto fine tune and dot tune. But they were testing with long focal lengths as well. Do you know which lenses she tested with? And is she a Nikon employee?
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Moot point for moi. Of my 11 AF lenses only 3 needed any 'tune' on the D500.
One at +2 and the other two at +1. AFAIC, Nikon nailed this body..bigtime!
(everything I shoot moves, so homie don't 'live view' YMMV)

I don't think any of us shoot moving subjects with Live View..it's only used for the fine tune calibration, unless I missed your point.

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p.1 #17 · p.1 #17 · Nikon Auto AF fine tune does not work, here is why (D500, possibly D5)

I don't use live view to fine tune..crazy huh?!
May 09, 2016 at 06:16 PM
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trenchmonkey wrote:
I don't use live view to fine tune..crazy huh?!

No,using LV and following the dot-tune method is just one method of manually fine tuning.

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p.1 #19 · p.1 #19 · Nikon Auto AF fine tune does not work, here is why (D500, possibly D5)

Months go I predicted this feature was going to cause Nikon more headaches than anything else, especially since they themselves recommend you don't actually use it haha ('not recommended in most situations, use only when required' etc. etc.) Time will tell, but I think a lot of new users are going to be using this feature expecting miracles, and getting disappointed since it is not very clear to the average user or even those reading the manual just how limited AF fine tune is.
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gdsf2 wrote:
I know the answer should be no, but given the two reports (yes small sample) we have in this thread, is there any chance Nikon implemented auto-fine-tune differently in the two bodies - D5 and D500?

There's always a chance but I'd guess it's very slim
architect7 wrote:
Interesting, the D5 owners I have spoken with did not get similar results between auto fine tune and dot tune. But they were testing with long focal lengths as well. Do you know which lenses she tested with? And is she a Nikon employee?

I believe she's an electrical engineer by trade but does a lot of in-depth technical analysis on her Nikon bodies. She's done a lot of work analyzing its AF system (like this thread). She's also renown for putting a ton of clicks on her D3/D4 series bodies - I think she's taken a few million photos in total.

May 09, 2016 at 08:59 PM
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D500 Setting For Auto Fine Tune

Here’s a 12-minute video in which photographer Steve Perry shows how to use the relatively new “Auto AF Fine Tune” feature from Nikon.
If your camera is back or forward focusing, then it’s likely you need to fine tune the autofocus. Often this would involve buying a commercial kit, or doing a bit of guess work, and in more extreme cases even sending your DSLR back to Nikon itself.

However, that is set to change with the Auto AF Fine Tune feature that is present on cameras like the Nikon D5, D500, D7500, and most likely any future mid-to-pro level cameras. (Here’s looking at you, D850.)

“The typical way Auto AF Fine Tune is performed by most users leaves a LOT of room for errors, inconsistency, and can even make things worse,” Perry tells PetaPixel. “In this video, I outline what AF Fine Tune is, proper setup, and a technique that gets me VERY similar results to what I see with commercial products.”

By using a target that is full of information for the autofocus system to lock onto, as well as ensuring it is properly lit, you can properly fine tune your camera’s focus for different lenses.

Recommended Settings For Nikon D500

Unfortunately, you can only set a single fine tune preference for each lens. So for zoom lenses that have a varying AF compensation value across their range, you’ll need to compromise and go for a mid-point.

Nikon D500 Auto Fine Tune

Check out the full video above to learn how you can utilize this feature and properly calibrate your camera and lenses. Precision tune auto car ohio.

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